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A coin was found by metal detectorist Steve Rourke (using a Fisher F75 detector) somewhere in the region of "Fordingbridge" in Hampshire and recorded on the UK Detector Finds Database. It was originally recorded by the finder as a modern cast silver fake of a 'penny' of Coenwulf of Mercia of unknown origin. If it was a fake, and assuming the detectorist himself was not fooling around, it would have meant that somebody had been seeding fields in this region with fake coins presumably hoping that they will be found by detectorists. One reason for this would have been so that these coins thereby enter the database of "legitimate" finds so that other examples of the fake can be legitimised with reference to them.
Obverse: Crude diademed bust right. + COENVVLF REX MThe original identification by the finder on the UKDFD of this coin as a modern fake is yet another case which illustrates all too clearly the potential for the archaeological record to be contaminated by information from coins of uncertain origins and false findspots. The same 'UK Detector Finds database' was used to record alleged findspots of other fakes recently. In another case the object that was reported as having been "found" by a metal detector usng artefact hunter was documented as stolen. In other cases, one suspects artefact hunters are saying things were found in their own gardens which were found elsewhere (one possible example here?), or are assigning findspots to areas where they have permission to search when the object could have come from somewhere where they did not. We simply cannot know the scale of this phenomenon, but neither should we shut our eyes to the possibility that it is happening.
Reverse: Cross crosslet. + HEREBERHT East Anglian mint? (Moneyer: Herebeorht)
Issue Date: AD 798 - 821
Cast in silver, weight ??, diameter 20.6mm
References: North 364; Spink 920
Recorded elsewhere: "Yes. Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge"
UPDATE: This coin if offered on ebay with this photo would have been rejected by many buyers as a fake for a number of reasons. It is rather flat looking, shows few features consistent with it being struck rather than cast, and most disturbing of all has projecting irregularities which look for all the world like positive impressions of bubbles in the shaping medium - like for example on the 'R" and crosslets of the reverse. Although originally actually published on the UKDFD as a fake, it seems the coin has been accepted as authentic by numismatists at the Fitzwilliam. The UKDFD entry has been updated and the coin now identified as an authentic coin. This just goes to show how subjective such assessments are. An amateur coin collector with a metal detector says one thing, a museum-based coin person to whom the object is shown says another. This goes to show how dodgy building datasets for archaeological analysis relying on non-professional identifications of archaeological objects found can be. And we there is no record in the public domain concerning precisely where this coin was found and what was found with it.
Here is the cache of the original page before it was edited, obliterating the original identification.
Above are photos of the obverse and reverse of this odd coin from the UK Detector Finds Database.
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8 comments:
Great stuff-- one of the reasons i read this blog, the "Private Eye" style detective work
As the finder of the coin, I would like to say that it is highly unlikely that the findspot has been seeded.
The opinion of the EMC at the Fitzwilliam Museum based on the scans of the coin, is that the coin is genuine.
On Monday I will travel from Bournemouth to The Fitzwilliam in Cambridge for the the coin to be evaluated at first hand.
Aha! Hi Steve.
So how come it is included on UKDFD as a replica? Was this not your identification then?
In the UKDFD photo though it does look a bit flat and fuzzy. there are also what look like bubble casts especially on the reverse. Or is that your lighting?
A cast replica in silver though would be interesting.
Please let us know what happens.
Hi
The coin was submitted to the UKFD for identification as I couldn't find an exact match from any of my sources.
The coin does look a lot better in the flesh than in the scans.
I am also suspicious about the coin, mainly because of it's condition, however, I will leave the final verdict to the experts.
Hopefully I will have an answer on Monday afternoon.
The Fitzwilliam Museum have confirmed that the coin is genuine.
There are only six other known examples and none from these dies.
I trust your Blog will be amended to reflect this new information.
Mr Brford, much like a tabloid newspaper, I know you never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.
I have been honest and above board, however, the same cannot be said of your blog, which, as currently published does not reflect the facts.
The Coin is rare, not odd.
I did not record the Coin on UKFD, I submitted the coin for Identification, a very real difference.
Your comments about one bod this and one bod that are very foolish coming from a fellow bod, the original ID was from a jPEG scan, the Fitzwilliam ID was hands on by 3 of the leading numismatic experts on Saxon Coinage.
AS for the find spot, I'm sure if you call Dr Allen at the Fitzwilliam, he will confirm that I discussed in detail the exact findspot, and that it will be recorded on the EMC database.
Once again we see the effects of me writing anything critical of “metal detectorists”, we get a flow of nit-picking comments contesting everything I write. It's almost as if the British “detectorist” is not used to archaeologists examining what they say or do in any detail....
Mr Rourke, First of all, this blog is just that. So I write what I like here in the way it pleases me, OK?
There is nothing inaccurate in what I say about the coin you found “near Fordingbridge, Hamps”. [Anyway then, in the interests of accuracy and truthfulness therefore you will not object to me putting up here the UKDFD photos of the coin under discussion for people to see].
Secondly, there is nothing “rare” about an Anglo-Saxon penny found by metal detecting in the soil of an English field, most coins coming out of their archaeological context these days are being removed in this manner straight to a private collection or eBay.
The appearance of this coin is, however very odd. As can be seen from the photo.
You say "I submitted the coin for Identification No, by your own admission you submitted a jpg from which an erroneous (it turns out) judgment was made by the UKDFD team about its identity. This I think shows that a private database run by volunteer amateurs is no place to create a “permanent record” as mitigation for the permanent removal of objects from the British archaeological record for collecting. That is what the PAS was set up for, to provide a professional service to do this in conjunction with the museums.
The UKDFD is a “database”; databases are for storing and manipulating data. The place to submit a coin found by a member of the public in a English field for identification is the Portable Antiquities Scheme. I note from the current updated UKDFD webpage that the find has not been recorded by them. The PAs was not the first port of call with this coin, you took a train to Cambridge rather than your local FLO.
I’d like you to note I picked up this story from a numismatic forum to which I belong where the contributor pointed out that the identification was by “those who should know”, i.e. UK metal detectorists (!). Obviously in this case – if the Fitzwilliam Museum is correct - they did not. Which rather begs the question does it not of what else they get wrong.
I will not be "calling" Dr Allen as they do not discuss details of finders or what they tell the museum (you should know that). See: http://www-cm.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/emc/emc_findspot.html. This information is not therefore in the public domain. Did you ask him whether the Fitzwilliam’s Early Medieval Corpus (“database” here is tautologous) is linked to the HER in the same way as the PAS archives are?
Why did this coin not go through the channels established for the reporting of archaeological material at no little public expense, instead burdening the rate-payers of Cambridge and the Leverhulme Trust http://www.leverhulme.org.uk/ with financing its record?
Today is 20th July 2010, and only just now in the "comments for moderation" has that comment of "kyarra's" of 29th MARCH appeared. Where it was in the interim, goodness knows. Mr Kyarra, the blog page was updated months ago, before your message of 29th March which only reached me just now.
The actual point I made however about the value of the information coming into the public domain from artefact hunting and collecting needs no modification, I stand by it.
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