tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post214546061895045417..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Some "American Culture" on Sale in LondonPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-91216121987306097722012-06-14T11:37:49.334-07:002012-06-14T11:37:49.334-07:00My blog, my thoughts, my tone.My blog, my thoughts, my tone.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-6124928214757536652012-06-14T11:22:47.859-07:002012-06-14T11:22:47.859-07:00No, I don't think Tribal is demeaning. Only yo...No, I don't think Tribal is demeaning. Only your tone...Ronnie Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527704938989668898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-25771603749276387912012-05-21T08:46:32.719-07:002012-05-21T08:46:32.719-07:00and the relevance of this to what I wrote?
I'...and the relevance of this to what I wrote? <br /><br />I'd put the emphasis on "grave-robbing" rather than "tribal" (such a demeaning term don't ya think?)Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-21674161492502265082012-05-21T07:09:37.034-07:002012-05-21T07:09:37.034-07:00Only the British could offer such duplicity. Engla...Only the British could offer such duplicity. England has<br />been responsible for the whole-sale removal of artifacts<br />for centuries. Will your museums return tribal artifacts?<br />Egyptian relics, including the Rosetta Stone? Weaver <br />collected in the 1930’s any field information which was<br />collected has long since disappeared. Sadly these artifacts<br />are more novelties than useful tools for investigation.Ronnie Goldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527704938989668898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-332209252279120702010-03-14T05:18:50.602-07:002010-03-14T05:18:50.602-07:00yes that's it.
I reckon yer avridge British ...yes that's it. <br /><br />I reckon yer avridge British nite'awk'd be right insulted by being labelled a "subsistence digger" by young Mr Merkelson!Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-53380776233017427322010-03-14T00:49:58.722-08:002010-03-14T00:49:58.722-08:00If you mean this bit of fluffybunnyism http://cult...If you mean this bit of fluffybunnyism http://cultureinperil.blogspot.com/2010/02/subsistence-digging-is-not-looting.html<br />....then yes, I saw it. Totally daft. Rebranding looters as subsistence diggers - as if that makes a smidgin of difference to the worldwide destruction....<br />And of course, it plays right into the hands of certain coin dealers who say "we buy from poor people who need to support their families, not looters". <br /><br />I wonder.... in Mr Merkelson's view are the middlemen from whom the Western dealers buy the objects "dealers in subsistence diggings" or "common criminals trading in looted antiquities"? I think he should tell us. Is there some sort of transmutation of objects along the chain or is everybody on it equally blameless and worthy of our understanding? After all, a man has to earn a crust does he not? How many crusts before it becomes unacceptable?<br /><br />Also, considering the country he is based in, he ought to tells us exactly how many "subsistence diggers" are operating in Britain. Should the Nighthawking Report be re-named?<br /><br />;)Marcus Preenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603874627751387853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-10694312428496470432010-03-13T23:31:33.268-08:002010-03-13T23:31:33.268-08:00Yes, I do not think the Americans "do irony&q...Yes, I do not think the Americans "do irony" very well compared to the Brits. One of those cultural things.<br /><br />I think the young chap is mainly miffed because I said a while back when discussing his new blog that I did not agree with his fluffy bunny definition of who looters are and why they do it...<br /><br />He has pointedly taken me off his "blogs I follow" list, http://www.blogger.com/profile/07366781498330245120 but apparently still visits from time to time.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-3141950646740834422010-03-13T22:57:22.359-08:002010-03-13T22:57:22.359-08:00I must say the irony was pretty obvious to me and ...I must say the irony was pretty obvious to me and I therefore saw the use of the phrase as entirely appropriate to its context.<br /><br />Are we to believe that those who dig up Native American graves and those who proudly put the results into their walnut display cabinets are awfully PC and use the appropriate terms? I think not. PC is actions not words. Their actions are those of redneck ignorami and Paul has every right to represent them as that. If we are to pretend they would never verbally disrespect Native Americans we have rather lost touch with reality. After all, what they actually DO is far worse than what they may or may not say so let us direct a searing spotlight on that. That part of American culture (much of which is admirable) deserves putting in quotation marks AND italics!Marcus Preenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603874627751387853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-2567021210616043792010-03-13T12:38:15.646-08:002010-03-13T12:38:15.646-08:00I think you misunderstand.
The term is being use...I think you misunderstand. <br /><br />The term is being used by your countrymen in reference to the Four Corners artefacts trials which I have been following. I intended precisely to convey the lack of respect that the digging up of Native American graves by white rednecks in fact entails. Antiquity collectors say they do it out of "respect", but there is the other side to collecting, trophy hunting and an expression of dominance. I am sorry you missed the irony.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-87900315161932160392010-03-13T11:05:02.713-08:002010-03-13T11:05:02.713-08:00Paul--
I'm not sure your use of "Injuns&...Paul--<br /><br />I'm not sure your use of "Injuns" in this context is very appropriate, especially for an educated scholar such as yourself. Perhaps you were trying to defend the Native Americans' (yes, the proper term is Native American) legal right to their own cultural property, but I think your point is entirely lost with such inconsiderate use of antiquated slang. I think it's about time you got your head out of the dirt.<br /><br />And why the need for "American Culture" in quotations? Your bias is appalling.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Nicholas Merkelson<br />www.cultureinperil.blogspot.comNicholas Merkelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366781498330245120noreply@blogger.com