tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post5879733783710601141..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: "Artist" Ai Weiwei and the Damage Caused by Antiquity CollectorsPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-79624840707181279422012-12-10T20:53:13.777-08:002012-12-10T20:53:13.777-08:00Yes, absolutely right, I do not understand, like ...Yes, absolutely right, I do not understand, like protesting gun laws by shooting someone, censorship by burning books and destruction of the natural environment by starting a wildfire you mean? Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-9921453196811338952012-12-10T19:00:44.151-08:002012-12-10T19:00:44.151-08:00Hi, from reading the comments I don't think yo...Hi, from reading the comments I don't think you understand the meaning behind Ai Weiwei's destruction of these artifacts. By destroying them he is bringing up to attention what is happening in China everyday since the rise of the communist party and their political reform. After taking over, the communist party ordered a destruction of almost anything that was of Qing dynasty, including artifacts, vases, paintings and architecture. Ai Weiwei is not destroying those just for the sake of destruction. As of where he got them. He probably bought them from antique shop. Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447690188084055807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-65538523390694269372011-06-07T14:28:08.134-07:002011-06-07T14:28:08.134-07:00Ah but they do, don't they? If their voice is ...Ah but they do, don't they? If their voice is all the public see then they do. <br /><br />Where are the responsible collecting blogs? David Knell, Robyn C. and... and who? <br /><br />We both know that the Yahoo group pretends to be "the ethical one", but what goes on there is anything but. Some of the worst pirates hang out there with the list "moderator's" blessing. <br /><br />It is no good you lot telling the public that "we are not like them", that people like Welsh, Sayles, Tompa are a minority which have nobody's ear if there is no proof of that. For me the fact that Welsh, Sayles, Tompa and all the rest carry on unchallenged by more than a handful of good guys is pretty good evidence that there really is only a handful of good guys in the collecting milieu. <br /><br /><br />Tompa aims to speak for the milieu and would seem from the point of view of an outside observer to speak for the whole milieu, because none of the rest speak up for themselves.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-20471016365583027132011-06-07T13:23:31.786-07:002011-06-07T13:23:31.786-07:00paul,i agree with you in that anyone deliberately ...paul,i agree with you in that anyone deliberately destroying ANY cultural property wether it belongs to them or not should be arested,i would support such a law.i as a collector consider myself as only a temporary custodian of any pieces i own and i know that one day they will pass on to someone else.art ofcourse is objective,to me art is a beutifully painted greek vase or a renaissance painting,to others art is a half made bed by tracy emin,or a spot picture by damien hirst which for me are not in any way artistic.after reading tompas past posts and the latest tirade by welsh i dont realy follow what they say,as a collector they certainly dont speak for me.<br />kyri.kyrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12725342826698223232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-75417033411387214622011-06-07T12:47:14.865-07:002011-06-07T12:47:14.865-07:00Peter Tompa of the ACCG and the Cultural Property ...Peter Tompa of the ACCG and the Cultural Property Research Institute says it is "art". <br /><br />http://culturalpropertyobserver.blogspot.com/2011/06/art-critic.html<br /><br />Please go and argue with him. <br /><br />So where do you think Ai Weiwei GOT these pots from? Do you think he borrowed them from the local state museum? Or do you think he went out at night with a spade to an ancient cemetery? Or did he perhaps buy them on the local (or maybe international) antiquities market? I know there has been a lot of discussion of this Chinese trade among the antiquity collectors on Tim Haines' Yahoo "Ancient Artefact" discussion forum. <br /><br />So would you agree with me that somebody who buys antiquities of this quality and deliberately destroys them (painting over their decoration, smashing them on the floor, grinding GRINDING them into dust) should be arrested for cultural property crime? Do precious survivals from the past have NO protection at all once they get into private hands, or should people be accountable for what they do to artefacts like this in the same way as they are about how they treat their horse, dog, or child? <br /><br />See my further comments on what Tompa said with relation to what this guy has been doing to ancient artefacts: http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2011/06/collectors-rights-and-ancient-art.htmlPaul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-81145161555444445682011-06-07T11:34:46.156-07:002011-06-07T11:34:46.156-07:00hi paul,i dont know how you can compare this "...hi paul,i dont know how you can compare this "artist"to a collector of antiquities.what this guy is doing to these antiquities,which are works of art in their own right and all unique is a disgrace.which collectors do you know who buy antiquities only to destroy them?i dont know of any.<br />as for myself,i once droped a small gnathian oenochoe and the lip craked,i couldnt sleep that night and it spoiled my whole week,[i even think of it now and this happend 3 years ago]<br />collectors LOVE their pieces and treasure them.your realy clutching at straws comparing the two.this guy has as much in common with a collector of antiquities,as you have ie;nothing.<br />kyrikyrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12725342826698223232noreply@blogger.com