tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post5969260513744380154..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Flogging off the past a Booming Business [UPDATED]Paul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-33372575032317522932017-01-08T00:15:46.630-08:002017-01-08T00:15:46.630-08:00"there is a danger of creating a find to sell..."there is a danger of creating a find to sell attitude".<br />Basically that has existed since metal detectors came on the market - that's why a leading hobby magazine is called "Treasure Hunting". Where do you think the thousands of metal 'partifact' objects sold on eBay come from? The elves? These are objects collectors do not want for their collections. <br /><br />>They are creating a 'grey' market for artefacts<<br />eh? Where have you been these last forty years? That's what this blog ios about - you know, the one you attacked and called 'click bait' last week, the issues are FAR more complex than just "using spades' Mr Ross. And they all interact with each other. You want to see most artefact hunters as amateur (citizen) archaeologists, I see thousands of citizens involved in collecting - and that market for archaeological collectables is part of collecting and collecting is part of the commercialisation of the archaeological resources. You seem to think its a good thing, I see it as a negative phenomenon. I argue why, you call me names. <br /><br />> parties who might lie about the original findspots<<br />The PAS doers NOTHING to verify findspots of the majority of the tens of thousands of loose objects they handle yearly. In this blog the problem is discussed - including with documented examples - yet its one which still has not been admitted let alone addressed addressed by the PAS. Yes finds from Scotland and continental Europe can be laundered by bringing them to an English FLO. My own early contacts with detectorists were marred by the time I organized a fieldwork project on the say-so of a tekkie who reported something to the local museum. It was freezing cold and we found nothing, and it later turned out the tekkie had lied about where he found the item. We never did discover where it had come from. <br /><br />>I hope their acceptance approval and scrutiny of paperwork takes this into account.<<br />The issue was raised with them, and they assured both myself and HA that the paperwork would all be legal and above board. Was it? Who knows? <br />http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2016/07/letter-on-auction-sales-of-artefact.html<br /><br /><br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-42487499322867522292017-01-06T21:40:03.877-08:002017-01-06T21:40:03.877-08:00Whilst I vehemently disagree with you on many issu...Whilst I vehemently disagree with you on many issues, I have absolute agreement on pursuing this one. I have seen the people behind this touting for trade on Facebook with a network on social media groups. By having specifically targeted detecting finds sales, there is a danger of creating a find to sell attitude. Going from good luck in finding something, to specific Treasure Hunting for pure financial reward. I find it makes me queasy. They are creating a 'grey' market for artefacts and as a byproduct then become a potential 'fencing' service for parties who might lie about the original findspots. I am for instance, concerned that artefacts found in Scotland (where they would be subject to automatic Treasure Trove) , could find themselves recorded as being found elsewhere, and sold in an English saleroom. I hope their acceptance approval and scrutiny of paperwork takes this into account. There is also the problem of when people who say they would never sell artefacts die and what happens to those items then - and the provenance of those items in the saleroom. The genial Charles Hanson is a figure head, and it's sad that his BBC celebrity is being put to this use (even if he does also do much good work for charity as well). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01164843485689692544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-21931926082180056652017-01-05T10:21:48.909-08:002017-01-05T10:21:48.909-08:00Was he in a silk waistcoat, or maybe top hat and t...Was he in a silk waistcoat, or maybe top hat and tails this time? And the reaction of the PAS will be....? <br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-21098525784797507652017-01-05T09:49:53.323-08:002017-01-05T09:49:53.323-08:00what a coincidence in todays episode of antiques r...what a coincidence in todays episode of antiques road trip [series 14 episode 4 at 15min 25 seconds if you can get bbc i player]mr Hanson sings the praises of metal detecting .it shows him in a field next to a childrens playground metal detecting than he gets a bleep and goes into one saying it might be a bag of gold coins.it was a metal tube.i wonder if he had permission to do that.bad example for all the children watching the program. no mention of the legalities involved.in a country where metal detectors are sold in toy shops the least they can do is mention that you need the land owners permission.<br />kyri.<br />BTW,he had a big shovel with him not a trowel.kyrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12725342826698223232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-27040259403666026832017-01-05T08:28:13.735-08:002017-01-05T08:28:13.735-08:00It wasn't a denarius of Otho:
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Lo...It wasn't a denarius of Otho: <br /> Lot image <br /><br />Lot: 4018<br /><br />Civil War Denarius, Southern Gaul Denarius of the civil wars, issued by pro-Vitellian forces in Southern Gaul, March 69AD Obv. Draped, diademed bust of Vesta right, lighted torch in front, VESTA PR QVIRITIVM Rev. Jupiter Capitolinus seated left on throne, holding sceptre and thunderbolt, within distyle temple, IO MAX CAPITOLINVS Recorded with Portable Antiquities Scheme: DENO-340DE5 18mm/3.07g RIC 128, SEAR 2085 <br /><br />DO NOT THE PAS RECORD NUMBER.<br />Duncan Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15321206870710752587noreply@blogger.com