tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post7517675398762516939..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: ACCG fax count 13.04.10Paul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-775850659747585352010-04-14T11:49:20.688-07:002010-04-14T11:49:20.688-07:00[Dave, Why do you insist on addressing me in the t...[Dave, Why do you insist on addressing me in the third person on my own blog?] <br /><br /><i>"The ACCG is really doing nothing more than ...</i><br /><br />No, stop trying to kid us, we all see precisely what the ACCG is trying to do - or rather avoid. <br /><br />What the ACCG is doing is nothing <br />to do with “the collecting community”, it is about reducing the legal restrictions on coin imports for dealers, not your clients, who if you were to comply would be thereby buying material of documented legal origins. Something you say that you cannot normally supply – well here is a chance, but you are fighting it. <br /><br /><i> "there is no valid reason to be concerned".</i><br />I am not at all concerned that it will be more difficult to import illegally exported material into the US.<br /><br /><b>Let us hope that every market country follows the exemplary role the US is playing in setting the moral lead. </b><br /><br /><i>"If Mr. Barford would however read the history of the Cyprus MOU,..."</i><br /> <br />How patronising can you get? "If Mr Welsh would" follow this link<br />http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/search?q=Cyprus<br /><br />...you will see that there are enough posts in this blog on the topic of what you lot are up to with the Cyprus MOU to last a wet afternoon. Yes, I have done a lot of reading about it. As of course you really know because we've been talking about it all this time.<br /><br /><i>"an effort will be made to add ancient coins to the Italian MOU" </i><br />Yes, I think it will. Jolly good job too in my opinion. As I have said a number of times. <br /><br />The reason however why I am hoping they go on is primarily because the ACCG has challenged the previous two and wants to get them repealed so they do not “form a precedent”. Well, it is my hope that the Italy MOU will be revised to include coins, and that the State Department do it totally by the book so there are no grounds for calling it “arbitrary and capricious” or “unlawful” and DEALERS will have to comply and supply their clients with coins of documented clean origins.<br /><br />Good. That is how it should be.<br /><br />So will the ACCG "internationalists" be explaining <b>in Italian</b> to the Italian public why they don't want their government to help the Italians protect their archaeological heritage?Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-59822261383075887432010-04-14T03:39:54.731-07:002010-04-14T03:39:54.731-07:00"The ACCG is really doing nothing more than
...<i>"The ACCG is really doing nothing more than </i><br /><br />No, stop trying to kid s, we all see precisely what the ACCG is trying to do - or rather avoid. What the ACCG is doing is nothing to do with “the collecting community”, it is about reducing the legal restrictions on coin imports for <b>dealers</b>, not your clients, who if you were to comply would be thereby buying material of documented legal origins. Something you say that you cannot normally supply – well here is a chance, but you are fighting it. <br /><br /><i>"there is no valid reason to be concerned".</i><br />I am not at all concerned that it will be <b>more difficult to import illegally exported material into the US</b>.<br /><br /><b>Let us hope that every market country follows the exemplary role the US is playing in setting the moral lead. </b><br /><br /><i> "If Mr. Barford would however read the history of the Cyprus MOU, </i> <br />How patronising can you get? "If Mr Welsh would" follow this link<br /><br />http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/search?q=Cyprus<br /> <br />...he will see that there are enough posts in this blog on the topic of what you lot are up to with the Cyprus MOU to last a wet afternoon. Yes, I have done a lot of reading about it. As of corse you really know.<br /><br /><i> "an effort will be made to add ancient coins to the Italian MOU" </i> <br />Yes, I think it will. Jolly good job too in my opinion. As I have said a number of times. <br /><br />the reason however why I am hoping they go on is primarily because the ACCG has challenged the previous two and wants to get them repealed so they do not “form a precedent”. Well, it is my hope that the Italy MOU will be revised to include coins, and that the State Department do it totally by the book so there are no grounds for calling it “arbitrary and capricious” or “unlawful” and <b>DEALERS</b> will have to comply and supply their clients with coins of documented clean origins.<br /><br />Good. That is how it should be.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-88895433781715316952010-04-14T01:25:55.750-07:002010-04-14T01:25:55.750-07:00The ACCG is really doing nothing more than alertin...The ACCG is really doing nothing more than alerting everyone in the collecting community to what past history gives very good reason to expect is likely to happen.<br /><br />It seems to me that Mr. Barford objects to that, and is taking the view that until something actually does happen, there is no valid reason to be concerned.<br /><br />If Mr. Barford would however read the history of the Cyprus MOU, I think it is likely that his objections could be resolved. In this case a statement was actually made by the State Department to the effect that there was no intention of adding ancient coins to the list. However when the hearing was held, Cyprus did indeed add ancient coins to its request. This came as a complete surprise to the collecting community and a significant outpouring of outrage regarding the deceptive tactics involved followed.<br /><br />Thus, in this case the collecting community really has no alternative other than to assume that an effort will be made to add ancient coins to the Italian MOU and to marshal its resources to oppose such a prospective addition - in advance, since the CPAC process does not provide for any period during which objections can be registered after the hearing has been held and its report has been submitted.<br /><br />Dave Welsh<br />Unidroit-L Listowner<br />http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Unidroit-L<br />dwelsh46@cox.netDave Welshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07255744164675503973noreply@blogger.com