tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post8812270826850758034..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Lenborough Hoard - Best Practice FailPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-73481478507996132712015-01-04T01:51:08.393-08:002015-01-04T01:51:08.393-08:00I guess the fact that the only information about t...I guess the fact that the only information about the account "Ju" is that you are a follower of http://paulbarford-heritage-the-ruth.blogspot.com/ inclined me to make certain assumptions on who you are and what point you wanted to make. <br /><br />On Sunday 21st December at 11:00 you are not likely to find anyone who is going to drop everything and get a professional team together to deal with it straight away. This is where the organizers of a commercial rally at such a time needed to have contingency plans in place to deal with how to secure the site until a team can get there. <br /><br />A quick DIY hoik with a paint stripper and carrier bag should not be an option that anyone considered was available, especially on a stratified site like this. <br /><br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-37615822718513288432015-01-04T01:26:21.698-08:002015-01-04T01:26:21.698-08:00The point I was trying to make, obviously lost in ...The point I was trying to make, obviously lost in translation, was that they had over 4 hours to call somebody experienced in to excavate.juhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09810245208400877445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-21908663725608264632015-01-03T18:39:47.854-08:002015-01-03T18:39:47.854-08:00ummm.... er... what? ummm.... er... what? Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-16479464269549165202015-01-03T15:01:34.078-08:002015-01-03T15:01:34.078-08:00Not sure where the idea of speed came into it. The...Not sure where the idea of speed came into it. The beginning of the hoard discovery was around 11.00 or so which gave them at least 4.5 hours to do something about it before light started to fade.juhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09810245208400877445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-14485235182163563692015-01-02T15:13:08.959-08:002015-01-02T15:13:08.959-08:00I would be interested to know why such speed was d...I would be interested to know why such speed was deemed to be required. Impossible to weed out nighthawks out of a club. They don't all look shifty.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-41147424578702309892015-01-02T12:59:30.627-08:002015-01-02T12:59:30.627-08:00There are a hundred and one ways to secure the sit...There are a hundred and one ways to secure the site, NONE was used. <br /><br />The task of the FLO is to encourage best practice (that is her JOB, what she's paid for), not take part in the general hoikfreeforall. <br /><br />Her job is to make sure that this sort of thing does NOT happen. Her job is to make sure the TA Code of Practice is followed. <br /><br />We have examples of hoards being guarded and dug properly, and these were when the FLO was not ON SITE. Why, when the FLO was there from the beginning was this not done? <br /><br />But this is all part and parcel of responsible detecting, isn't it? <br /><br />You can <br />- park a tractor over the site,<br />- pile bales up (plenty in the barn I hear) <br />- get a security guard to sit there<br />- use one of the HAPPAH detector detectors which I suggested a while back PAS should invest in.<br />- detecting clubs could appoint (elect) a Treasure officer whose task it is to look after a hoard findspot if something turns up on a dig,<br />I am sure there are other ways to stop any of the 100 blokes going out there after dark. Do you think there are many nighthawks in Weekend Wanderers? Perhaps they should be weeded out of clubs? <br /><br />And how about arranging such events on days when the landowner IS there to be consulted? (or calling it off if he's called away?) They are, after all, his coins and HIS RESPONSIBILITY. <br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-54686778744031384202015-01-02T12:46:01.869-08:002015-01-02T12:46:01.869-08:00Could well be something given that the detector on...Could well be something given that the detector only got that deep because of the sheer size of the find. Could be all sorts of coins, artifacts that could give more context just out of detectable range nearby. Not forgetting non metal stuff of course!<br /><br />Being that there were 100 blokes who you don't know from Adam i'm sadly not surprised they dug it as fast as they could before night time, especially as the farmer wasn't there.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-4113450641232255112015-01-02T12:17:06.790-08:002015-01-02T12:17:06.790-08:00If I were the farmer, I'd do what he should ha...If I were the farmer, I'd do what he should have done on 21st, park a big bit of farm plant over the findspot (or get those bales out of the barn and heap them up and put a tarp over the lot). I bet there's coins left behind, and a red bull can. Just one big MESS. Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-25965561776915973212015-01-02T12:09:26.154-08:002015-01-02T12:09:26.154-08:00If I was the farmer I'd get some big fences up...If I was the farmer I'd get some big fences up quickly, with the site being so identifiable I wonder at how many nighthawks it and surrounding areas is going to attract.Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-52683724230352455952015-01-02T07:03:35.274-08:002015-01-02T07:03:35.274-08:00"Why was this site not secured and a proper i..."Why was this site not secured and a proper investigation, lasting several days, not the fading light of the afternoon hours just before Christmas, not instigated?"<br /><br />Well, whatever the reasons that will be trotted out they won't add up to an excuse - for the Rally Guidelines say "It is good practice for the rally organiser to discuss with the FLO and HER before the event how important finds will be dealt with" - and that clearly didn't happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com