tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post8895873312570021607..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Focus on Irresponsible UK Metal Detecting: "Refreshing the Field"Paul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-30429358423828209412014-04-27T07:00:42.875-07:002014-04-27T07:00:42.875-07:00Ross London, I'd say the PROBLEM (the really s...Ross London, I'd say the PROBLEM (the really serious problem) is that people like you can read what I wrote and then ask "what the problem is"... <br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-31025113909734417832014-04-27T04:24:48.854-07:002014-04-27T04:24:48.854-07:00If farmer didn't have any restriction from dee...If farmer didn't have any restriction from deep plough then what is the problem?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07392082114142399343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-55281726181924215842014-03-21T14:08:57.270-07:002014-03-21T14:08:57.270-07:00Despite his threats, "Beany Bot" never c...Despite his threats, "Beany Bot" never came up with the goods. Typical of the mindless mouthiness of the milieu.<br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-71228369156040732692014-01-15T21:16:30.610-08:002014-01-15T21:16:30.610-08:00Is that a statement or a question Mr Broom?
Obvi...Is that a statement or a question Mr Broom? <br /><br />Obviously it takes two to have a conversation. If the interlocutor keeps avoiding addressing the issues which are of concern to the other side (like deleting the thread and pretending nothing happened), then obviously it is impossible to have any kind of "conversation". <br /><br />When detectorists mature to taking part in dialogue, I am sure there are those who will 'partner' them in it. <br /><br />I certainly do not intend taking part in any "conversation" about deliberately trashing sites so collectors can get their hands on artefacts. <br /><br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-69934427078904867822014-01-15T14:23:43.368-08:002014-01-15T14:23:43.368-08:00Seems like neither side can hold a sensible conver...Seems like neither side can hold a sensible conversation about the issues that matter...???Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07283500968043024261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-19192716028076323662014-01-15T13:27:59.596-08:002014-01-15T13:27:59.596-08:00Well, we see above a typical reaction to any attem...Well, we see above a typical reaction to any attempt to discuss what "responsible detecting is and is not", the "refresh the field" pseudonymous guy is threatening to sue me for expressing an opinion which differs from the one he refuses to defend. What hope is there for having ANY kind of proper discussion in such an atmosphere? Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-90336844153885809352014-01-15T13:05:08.984-08:002014-01-15T13:05:08.984-08:00"About metal detectorists not FOR them",..."About metal detectorists not FOR them", that's the crux. <br /><br />If ever action is taken to make metal detectorists behave in the national interest it won't be something that will come from discussions with metal detectorists, there are just too many of them who are clueless, like this "give the farmer money to dig deeper" clown and too few sensible ones willing to distance themselves from the rest. Shame for them and shame for everyone but there it is. No-one can say Paul and I haven't tried "talking"<br />but it's a farce.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-58957690652609477812014-01-15T12:57:48.720-08:002014-01-15T12:57:48.720-08:00Yes, so we'll have our day in court "Bean...Yes, so we'll have our day in court "Beany"? <br /><br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-49177711908770702932014-01-15T12:43:26.065-08:002014-01-15T12:43:26.065-08:00Very well Paul. Have it your way. Expect a letter ...Very well Paul. Have it your way. Expect a letter in the next few weeks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-39473250576965317982014-01-15T12:42:04.605-08:002014-01-15T12:42:04.605-08:00Mr Baines, where were you when both Nigel and I en...Mr Baines, where were you when both Nigel and I engaged metal detectorists on their forums and elsewhere 2000-2007? Both of us came to the conclusion as the result of seven years effort, and facing the rudeness, aggression and sustained plain Thugwitism, that it was not a fruitful way to spend our time. Indeed, you hunt for the archives of those forums and you will find narry a trace now of the hours and hours of discussion we spent so much time on.<br /><br />This blog is not for artefact hunters but about them. But they are perfectly welcome to contribute sensible comments (as you yourself have been doing) which add to the discussion. <br /><br />I rather think (from experience) that the MD forums have a number of individuals who certainly do not want Nigel or myself on them, been there, done it, have the scars, and will do everything they can to disrupt any developing discussion, like they did when we thought it was worth a try. Now we do not. <br /><br />Any metal detectorist who wants to know what we think can come here, its not a "members only" resource, perfectly open, perfectly transparent, nothing to hide. But you try and find a link (or even a mention of the name) on a MD forum and you will see that the metal detectorists in fact do not want anyone looking at this material. <br /><br />I think you are being very naive if you think it is worth us trying to have a sensible discussion with today's metal detectorists, too many thugwits among you and nobody to rein them in. <br /><br />Also what do you reckon the result consistently is when somebody called "Paul Barford" tries to register on one of your forums under his real name? Most of them do not even do the courtesy of acknowledging the receipt of the registration request, that is who we are dealing with. <br /><br /> Nope, I am quite happy here in my own corner of the internet, those who want to read this can, those who do not can stay away. Why complicate life? <br /><br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-51237257580564002632014-01-15T12:28:05.190-08:002014-01-15T12:28:05.190-08:00Cartouche, what do you think the CSS were for?
I...Cartouche, what do you think the CSS were for? <br /><br />I made a clear distinction between the opportunistic detectorist unconcerned about benefiting from destruction and the one who suggested initiating some in order to benefit. Two things entirely. Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-18876566742479844602014-01-15T12:25:27.166-08:002014-01-15T12:25:27.166-08:00"Beany-bot" try me."Beany-bot" try me. <br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-65202493577828842782014-01-15T07:24:38.255-08:002014-01-15T07:24:38.255-08:00Do you know what slander is Paul?Do you know what slander is Paul?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-37740373962392617192014-01-15T07:02:43.351-08:002014-01-15T07:02:43.351-08:00'Not a word of concern for the damage this mig...'Not a word of concern for the damage this might do to any archaeological stratigraphy that might be damaged by this "really deep plough[ing]", or indeed what they are doing detecting pasture anyway'<br /><br />In Mega B's example the farmer was going to plough the field anyway. As such is it your position that all deep ploughing is bad as, and forgive me if i've missed it,I haven't seen any posts from you regarding such practice. <br /><br />Should I, as a detectorist, be telling the farmer not to deep plough before he plants crops? I don't have an answer I just wondered.<br /><br />I thought the below article about a former field operative for West Yorkshire Archaeology Service might interest you.<br /><br />http://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpress.co.uk/news/local-news/torque-of-the-town-1-3552512Detectorblokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300313707264856997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-24000716165661843632014-01-15T05:58:52.223-08:002014-01-15T05:58:52.223-08:00This looks like more of an issue with the farmer a...This looks like more of an issue with the farmer and modern farming practises. This part was ommitted in the quotation<br /><br />"it has been ploughed before but years ago but he has decided he can make more revenue from planting crops in the field that what hay produces"<br /><br />It looks like n opportunistic detectorist benefiting from what the farmer is going to do regardless. also the field has been ploughed before but then again, other than upland moorland, any pasture field will have been ploughed relatively recently.<br /><br />There should be more outreach to farmers both on the dangers of destructive agricultural methods and the damage to heritage by irresponsible metal detecting.Cartouche1953https://www.blogger.com/profile/14842350705996025607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-72178283294845770212014-01-15T04:31:05.481-08:002014-01-15T04:31:05.481-08:00If you two have such strong views and so much to s...If you two have such strong views and so much to say about metal detecting as a whole why don't you sign up to the forum and enter a discussion with us all instead of bitching to a bakers dozen readers of your blogs ?P2Pinvestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031753975898233577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-71710657584540799462014-01-15T01:24:51.514-08:002014-01-15T01:24:51.514-08:00"Not responsible"? ... "Unethical&q..."Not responsible"? ... "Unethical"?<br /><br />Why do you always pull your punches Paul? ;)<br /><br />This is a deliberate, knowing assault on a country's culture by an ignoramus with no conscience - with none of his colleagues saying so.<br /><br />And don't tell me he and they haven't heard the message that it's unacceptable over and over. They have. It's not that outreach hasn't reached them it's that they don't don't care. <br /><br />How could there be a clearer illustration that something needs to be done? Terrible, terrible behaviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com