Saturday, 24 September 2022

Stung eBay Buyer Warns on EBay


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Dear oh dear... but here is something really rather special. An eBay buyer finds out they've been stung, and instead of quietly putting the piece back on the market with a non-committal description, they decided to go back to eBay and warn other buyers. Pre Columbian Mayan Vases *Please read! Buyers Beware! This seller is a FRAUD! 

Buyers and new collectors beware!!!! The seller by the name of PRIMITIFSTUFFGALLERY is making a living out of frauding eBay members. I have personally bought over $11,000 in fake Mayan vases from this lady. She knows she is frauding people out of their hard earned money. Please contact me if you have bought from her. I would like to file a police report and charged against this seller with the state of New York where she resides. I found out they were fake when I come across a Facebook profile of the lady that actually makes these vases. The seller applies a coating that bubbles with hydrogen peroxide just like the authentic ones. DO NOT BUY FROM THIS SELLER UNLESS YOUBWANT TO BE SCAMMED! HARD LESSON LEARNED ON MY PART WHEN I FIRST STARTED COLLECTING. One of the pictures I loaded is the actual profile from the artist who currently makes these. The seller is a complete scam and hopefully will be charged with felony fraud charges.
I bet they won't. Also the grammar of this wannabe ancient art connoisseur leaves something to be desired, just saying.

First of all, Primitifstuffgallery sells more than what they say are dugup pre-columbian antiquities from the Americas. Most of their goods are what are called "tribal" (and "Primitive") in the less-salubrious sectors of the collectables market. A lot of it (ostensibly) from SE Asia (ahem). This seller lists much of their goods under "ethnographic antiques". That means if they are challenged, even ("vintage") tourist tat can be represented (given the loose use of the label) as "ethnographic antiques" (aka folk art). I do not think they are going to face charges.

Here's the eBay blurb of primitifstuffgallery
, currently selling 1,469 items:
100% Positive feedback, 9.9K Items sold, 1.5K Followers,
About us
Welcome to my eBay Store. Over the past 20 years we have purchased thousands of png, timor, batak, dayak, ifugao, asian, pre columbian and african items from collectors estates who traveled the world, and also from traveling ourselves They are extraordinary items that we personally hand picked. I am proud to ship them to you priority mail. Thanks Ruby!!
Location: United States
Member since: Apr 21, 2009
The storefront text shows that this dealer has a grasp of the elements of grammar and punctuation about equal to that of some of their clients. That's a bad start as far as I am concerned.  

To come back to the original poster. If you click on their profile you find out that the disgruntled buyer is one kbart_12 who we then find out:
"Location: United States, Member since: May 03, 2021, 97.8% Positive feedback (130) [negs], 112 Items sold, 25 Followers
[as far as feedback as buyer is concerned, it is noteworthy that there is no feedback from a dealer called 'primitivestuffgallery'] The shop of Kbart-12 is here. Ouch. I would say from the photos that some of the Native American points are most likely to be genuine dugups, some of the other lithic items I would not say the same about on the basis of what is shown. And the rest?? uh-oh, I'd say caveat-emptor-very-much to most of them. The 'eye' of this dealer does not impress me much. Now it makes sense to read: "I have personally bought over $11,000 in fake Mayan vases from this lady" - presumably for resale, until one client who saw the object in hand was not real, and demanded their money back.
I found out they were fake when I come across a Facebook profile of the lady that actually makes these vases.
This is Patricia Martin Morales of Muna, Yucatan, and the facebook page is here. There are some good copies here, but largely items 'in the style of' (with some Hokusai vibes) - but nice nevertheless (I'd love one, but can't see any prices on the FB page). As for this:
The seller applies a coating that bubbles with hydrogen peroxide just like the authentic ones.
hee hee. Here's our favourite US dealer Bob Darge on this "Identifying Manganese in Ancient Art" [the test here]. Caution, what does an ancient art dealer know about what damages artefacts? Ten-dollar hair preparation, q-tips with waxed paper stems and hydrogen peroxide, I suggest talking to a conservator about this. And what has this seller "added that bubbles with hydrogen peroxide"? It could be anything, including something that catalyses oxidation in the pottery in the first place (eg such as borates, pyrophosphates, carbonates, sulphates, silicates and organic compounds such as carboxylates and amides). This test is by no means the panaceum that collectors of pre-columbian antiquities hold it to be.

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