tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post1545420335002775497..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: AIA Policies on Portable Antiquity CollectingPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-88913817914929387552011-08-19T00:32:27.326-07:002011-08-19T00:32:27.326-07:00It might be instructive to examine more carefully ...It might be instructive to examine more carefully who it is who is fanning up this perception of being under attack. And then when you've worked out for yourselves that its the no-questions-asked dealers, you might ask why. In whose interest it is.<br /><br />If coin collectors were consciously working together with archaeologists and conservationists (after all the ethos which underlies the Portable Antiquities Scheme you all like so much), then there would be no place for feeling to be under attack. <br /><br />What is under attack is IRRESPONSIBLE use of the archaeological resource.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-33186364902198781012011-08-15T14:59:07.664-07:002011-08-15T14:59:07.664-07:00Hi Paul,
I do understand that the previous MOUs w...Hi Paul,<br /><br />I do understand that the previous MOUs were signed under Bush.<br /><br />But the Tea Party is a whole new kind of Republicanism -- at least until when and if it gets into office and then we'll see.<br /><br />The question is: Am I willing to pay for more flexible access to ancient coins by hanging a new level of crazy albatross/politician around the neck of my country? Despite my rash statement, I think that would make wandering the seas for eternity seem a preferable option.<br /><br />Collectors feel misunderstood but I don't think we have done a good job of representing ourselves. Too much wah-wah and too little hard work on our part to make sure we are not supporting smugglers and looters.<br /><br />Since some of these are the same people creating counterfeits that plague us, and possibly also people supporting human trafficking and terrorism, it is in collectors' interest as much as in the interest of our critics for us to have nothing to do with them.<br /><br />Changing ingrained attitudes is hard, especially in a group that perceives itself under attack. I hope we are making some progress.<br /><br />Chris RoseChris Exxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17726245533885404397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-71078987422944671352011-08-12T22:21:22.095-07:002011-08-12T22:21:22.095-07:00Well, whose fault is it that collectors allow them...Well, whose fault is it that collectors allow themselves to be "led to believe" something by the lies of the n-questions-asked dealers and their supporters when the contrary evidence is ever-so-easily available online just a few mouse-clicks away? <br /><br />Time and time again the dealers and the ACCG lie to collectors, each time an MOU comes up for consideration for example, it's all documented here, with the reasons why what they are saying is not true.<br /><br />And you were complaining about the way I wrote about collectors who passively "allow themselves to be misled" by liars. There's a US adage that comes to mind: "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". <br /><br />So how much else that the no-questions-asked mob tells you is complete fabrication swallowed by too-gullible collectors unable to sift fact from interest-driven fiction? Have a look and see, I think if you trusted the dealers, you'll be profoundly disappointed. <br /><br />[By the way with reference to a comment you made on Dave Welsh's (or someone's) blog about joining the tea party movement and voting for another "regime" than this one, you seem to have been led to believe that Obama is responsible for more than he is: the Cyprus and China MOUs were both signed under the PREVIOUS "regime"]Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-62598274826373150692011-08-12T16:49:49.643-07:002011-08-12T16:49:49.643-07:00Hi Paul,
Thanks for the useful digest of AIA poli...Hi Paul,<br /><br />Thanks for the useful digest of AIA policies. I am still parsing them but they do appear more flexible than I was led to believe.<br /><br />Chris RoseChris Exxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17726245533885404397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-73982069969474226092011-08-11T12:04:11.564-07:002011-08-11T12:04:11.564-07:00Ah, so these "radicals" we hear so much ...Ah, so these "radicals" we hear so much about are not AIA archaeologists at all, they are REBEL radical AIA archies... (?) <br /><br />But we were talking about AIA policies, weren't we? <br /><br />Whatever some individuals may think or say, in actual fact the AIA has no policy which corresponds to what the conspiracy theorists in the collecting advocacy community claim. <br /><br />And its checking the facts that counts, not alarmist myth-making based on coiney anecdotes.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-43471591030818883852011-08-11T11:19:47.106-07:002011-08-11T11:19:47.106-07:00This raises the question whether the AIA's spe...This raises the question whether the AIA's speakers at various CPAC hearings are following their organization's own precepts. More than one has said no to suggestions about licit markets in source countries and no to the trade in duplicate objects.Cultural Property Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05924359202414555962noreply@blogger.com