tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post1909239949449128038..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Opposing Viewpoints: Swift tackles DrumaxPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-83081967271550351052010-12-15T00:18:34.551-08:002010-12-15T00:18:34.551-08:00I think we are getting a bit lost here who is talk...I think we are getting a bit lost here who is talking to who, maybe "Drumax" (not his real name) could help out by indicating to which text and by whom he is answering any one time. <br /><br />He castigates somebody (me?) for not putting in the link to where he answered the text I cross-posted up here gave the link to the latter and the intelligent reader can scroll down below it to see how it was answered. For the scrolling-wheel-challenged, I now include a direct link to Drumax's original response:<br /><br />http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2010/12/opposing-viewpoints-on-collecting.html?showComment=1292291281818#c3628067906647685434Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-88026009240574233802010-12-14T23:50:38.878-08:002010-12-14T23:50:38.878-08:00"I can assure you most collectors of ancients..."I can assure you most collectors of ancients would love to have full provenance on all their coins"<br />................<br /><br />Well that's demonstrably untrue. See my message about buying recent dug-ups without PAS numbers.<br /><br />As for your praise cum distain for my idealism I'm rather more grounded in reality than you seem to believe (and a lot more than you I suspect, as I'll explain)- although I do confess to seeing things in black and white. Take me and you. I think it is wrong to deplete without good reason and optimum mitigation. You buy from those who do it and have expended a lot of effort here saying you can't help it. You can. You do not say what is true. <br /><br />I take it you are American? I suspect I know a lot more about your British suppliers than you do, having made them my main full-time focus for ten years of retirement (idealists can garner a lot of practical knowledge, you see, so don't necessarily arrive at conclusions that can be dismissed as not grounded in reality). You on the other hand are probably buying comparatively or entirely blind - and telling the world and your conscience your suppliers and their suppliers and theirs are fine fellows or at least you know nothing adverse against them. I do. It's not me that's the idealist, it's you. You are projecting an idealised picture of the market in which you are involved. It's actually the gutter (honestly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-68918148135937726202010-12-14T17:10:54.697-08:002010-12-14T17:10:54.697-08:00That is what you call a swift tackle? Well, the ba...That is what you call a swift tackle? Well, the bar isn't set that high is it? You could if you like link to my response to that (but that would be fair and we wouldnt want that and after all this isnt a discussion forum) best leave it as is to be honest, most wont need me to point out all the obvious flaws in the statements and the myriad questions that arise concerning this very real world issue that requires logic and not impassioned idealistic drivil not to mention his assumptions and accusations in no way based in reality. <br /><br /><br />I applaud the passion of this person who goes by the name 'heritageaction' because I agree with the sentiments but sadly passion often equals a lack of any substance and common sense. It seems we are all protest and no real solutions. A shame because I can assure you most collectors of ancients would love to have full provenance on all their coins and would not be a party to looting. Keep up the good fight guys.Charles the Boldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15351492304300210017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-3526987434048914812010-12-14T00:20:37.420-08:002010-12-14T00:20:37.420-08:00Drumax is very tiresome. He reminds me of all thos...Drumax is very tiresome. He reminds me of all those metal detectorists that forced the closure of the PAS and Heritage Action forums by pretending it was hard to behave ethically. <br /><br />Discussion is a bleak exercise when it becomes apparent that people are not talking ethics per se, merely using the discussion to defend wrongdoing and avoiding having to reduce the amount of commercial activity by the tiniest amount. <br /><br />Far from not allowing opposing viewpoints you are remarkably tolerant to allow self-interest to promote itself here. We’ve recently pretty much given up doing that on the Heritage Journal and have put up this notice – <br /><br />“it is appropriate to clarify that the Journal is not a democracy and is part of a conservation website set up to promote and facilitate our own conservation agenda, not a facility provided to enable public debate upon whether conservation is important – so postings that advocate any other approaches to heritage or otherwise (in our judgement) conflict with or adversely impact upon our aims are never welcome.” <br /><br />Undemocratic ? Yes! Selfish, anti-social, hypocritical and exploitative? No.<br /><br />For me, having seen his ilk ad nauseam, Drumax’s claim that ethics are grey not black and white is like a neon sign of where he’s coming from and what he’s up to. And the suggestion that the problem is down to dealers being unaware whether any of their stock comprise recent UK dug-ups shows him up for what he is even more clearly. You’re best off without him, as is the British archaeological resource.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com