tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post4696573509854899699..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Responsible Detecting a Taboo Subject on a Metal Detecting Forum Near You? Paul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-83975783334992597112014-04-13T22:41:26.066-07:002014-04-13T22:41:26.066-07:00"Nigel I think it is pretty irrelevant if the..."Nigel I think it is pretty irrelevant if they were talking about how to be more responsible or if it was just they were trying to counter the perceived misinformation as you say."<br /><br />I think the Pistorius trial shows the difference is crucial.<br /><br />IMO, "not admitting the problem and trying to face it" as Paul says, is THE problem with portable antiquities and why inadequate progress has been made in rectifying it. PAS does it for quango survival purposes, detectorists do it for what they imagine are hobby survival purposes. Both are doing the rest of us a disservice because they enable the problem to continue and indeed thrive. <br /><br />I think it's up to "responsible detectorists" to say loudly how widespread the problem is. If they don't then the very claim that THEY are responsible aids the majority in pretending responsibility is typical. <br /><br />Can you find any defects in that analysis? Are you going to act upon the implications, despite the crude abuse you will get?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-9605919280152422742014-04-13T21:41:20.596-07:002014-04-13T21:41:20.596-07:00" I think it is pretty irrelevant if they wer...<i>" I think it is pretty irrelevant if they were talking about how to be more responsible or if It was just they were trying to counter the perceived misinformation as you say. </i>"<br /><br />Eh? <br /><br />On the contrary, it is entirely relevant whether people are admitting a problem and trying to face it, or dismissing it simply as "misinformation by our enemies - ignore them" as you, Mr Baines, did on your own blog not so long ago. <br /><br />The aim of detectorists seem to be to put up a façade which suggests widespread god practice lies underneath, without anything actually changing in the core of the hobby. <b>THAT</b> is why they habitually do not discuss what is said by the preservationinists on their forum, because in any such discussion, no matter how it is edited by the moderators, the pretence would become clear. <br /><br />It's the same reason why archaeologists (like that fluffy pot guy Jervis) don't discuss it either. The pretence would be revealed. <br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-71520782740907397092014-04-13T13:14:54.786-07:002014-04-13T13:14:54.786-07:00Nigel I think it is pretty irrelevant if they were...Nigel I think it is pretty irrelevant if they were talking about how to be more responsible or if<br />It was just they were trying to counter the perceived misinformation as you say. At the end of the day there was a glimmer of hope that responsible detecting was about to be discussed in the mainstream. I only reach out to a hundred or so readers on my blog, there was a golden chance for the 6000 odd members of the forum to get involved there. Unfortunately that chance was taken away and now the questions asked to why are falling on deaf ears yet again. I have invited mrix and the moderators to comment on my latest blog post and answer the questions. I wont hold my breathe whilst I wait for a response P2Pinvestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031753975898233577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-91281152283863200962014-04-13T08:08:45.281-07:002014-04-13T08:08:45.281-07:00"how can they counter the [...] evidence [.....<i>"how can they counter the [...] evidence [...] beyond denial [...] to try to think of ways to pretend otherwise". </i><br /><br />That follows, not to deal with the root cause of the problem, but try and cover up the most visible symptoms. Like a Hogarthian harlot's makeup. <br />Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-39890310894224225952014-04-12T23:56:50.443-07:002014-04-12T23:56:50.443-07:00Actually, I didn't get the sense the thread wa...Actually, I didn't get the sense the thread was saying how can they become more responsible (Oh that it would have!) but how can they counter the perceived misinformation. <br /><br />Well of course, they can't. A large number of detectorists ARE antisocial dolts, the evidence is beyond denial yet the reaction is to try to think of ways to pretend otherwise. And to trot out the utterly boring reactions that <br /><br />a. "A lot of us aren't" - SO RUDDY WHAT?<br /><br />b. They're trying to get us banned - YET WHERE HAVE WE EVER SAID THAT?<br /><br />Anyway, I think the thread has been taken into a secret cellar to plan tactics on how to counter what we say. Good luck with that. Even Roger Bland in all his glory can't do that so I doubt that lot will be able to!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com