tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post8784035681502484507..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: Lootwatch: "Freshly Surfaced" Hecatomnid Material, Twenty Months OnPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-34883870413356280062012-04-21T14:07:15.234-07:002012-04-21T14:07:15.234-07:00"there is so little critism of them in collec..."there is so little critism of them in collecting circles"<br />you cant say anything ,otherwise they will set dave welsh on you.i had people sending me private emails calling me a commie,im sure some people thought i was you.for the average collector paull its just not worth the aggro.im not getting paid for this,i havent the time to get into flame wars,i would rather spend my free time with the kids.<br />i know you have your dissagreements with them paul but i ohnestly believe that they are decent,honest blokes,its just that they believe that the policies they are following are the right ones for the hobby and they are doing and saying anything they can if they think it will help their cause.<br />kyri.kyrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12725342826698223232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-3987695685616894462012-04-21T13:55:34.013-07:002012-04-21T13:55:34.013-07:00Well, to use the old cliche ... Knowledge is knowi...Well, to use the old cliche ... Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.<br /><br />Or - don't argue with idiots, they have more practise and are better at it ... <br /><br />I think the collector and dealer representatives on the CPAC in effect argue against them by ignoring them? As the ACCG often point out, they are victims of everyone including the judge who found against their test case.<br /><br />They are a very vocal fringe only if you read blogs. And in the same way that the Parthenon Restitution people cite each other constantly in support, so do they. <br /><br />I think most collectors I know have barely heard of them let alone waste their time on them. <br /><br />And most dealers are members of much bigger groups, and take the attitude that it's better not to bad mouth others - and that includes the ACCG. There's an unwritten rule that you don't bad mouth others in the market, and certainly not behind their backs or to others. Usually a simple "yes, I know him" and no elaboration is enough to get the message acrossDorothy Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820009282218419179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-89350064738706859902012-04-21T13:33:27.918-07:002012-04-21T13:33:27.918-07:00"I think what they are doing in terms of poli...<i>"I think what they are doing in terms of policy is very dangerous to dealers and collectors in terms of what they are claiming smears us all with the same brush"</i> <br /><br />Absolutely. Though, from my point of vierw, they are a Godsend to critics of no-questions-asked collecting. <br /><br />But here's a question, if they are so atypical, how do you account for the fact that there is so little criticism of them in collecting circles? How often do you see a collector requesting Tompa, Sayles or Welsh to keep their mouths shut because of the damage they do when they keep up their yapping?Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-61887424138824486632012-04-21T12:47:00.499-07:002012-04-21T12:47:00.499-07:00LOL - no, I won't send WikiLeaks the emails, a...LOL - no, I won't send WikiLeaks the emails, as decided they were best ignored. <br /><br />I think they were the straw that broke the camel's back, nothing more - and I simply won't give them the benefit of the doubt ever again. <br /><br />I just posted a reply to your comment (well, several comments as mine was too long for Blogger) - less because I was annoyed with the ACCG, more because I think what they are doing in terms of policy is very dangerous to dealers and collectors in terms of what they are claiming smears us all with the same brushDorothy Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820009282218419179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-16052565501584937572012-04-21T12:19:01.208-07:002012-04-21T12:19:01.208-07:00hi paul,
it seems dorothy king upset a few dealers...hi paul,<br />it seems dorothy king upset a few dealers with her post on hecatominus coins[personally,i thought it was a great post].it will be intresting to see how this unfolds.i wonder if wekileaks will leak the "confidential emails"that were sent to dorothy because w.sayles comment on the blog was fine,in fact it was complementary towards dorothy.peter tompa and wayne sayles ,as far as i can tell have allways been on good terms with her.did mr sayles even know the accg lawyers were emailing dorothy?i think they have upset her but she seems like a tough cookie to me.<br />kyri.kyrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12725342826698223232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-91202861689398875622012-04-21T02:37:47.596-07:002012-04-21T02:37:47.596-07:00Blogger switched to New Blogger and it seems the n...Blogger switched to New Blogger and it seems the new thing is that if you update posts they re-publish as new ones?!?! I put posts back up - my kinda feeling is that a blog is not a "record" but hit and run ... the Lopez posts are both still there http://phdiva.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=lopez - the original one you liked, and the one breaking news of their divorce, which your readers might like as confirmation that Ms Lopez is available for them ;-)<br /><br /><br />I should quickly clarify in case of confusion at your pun, that this was not an official www.LootBusters.com post, and that the Turkish Government have not requested their return - this was just my personal opinion, as a human being. I was thrilled though to see that Wayne G Sayles left a comment agreeing that collectors and dealers should known about potential issues with these coinsDorothy Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820009282218419179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-89448886277615665652012-04-20T11:53:29.228-07:002012-04-20T11:53:29.228-07:00OK, how did you do that? The link ON MY BLOG inste...OK, how did you do that? The link ON MY BLOG instead of going to a post of 18th September now goes to one made today. Magic? Weird. So have you deleted the old post? If you've got rid of the one you did on Jennifer Lopez a few days later, you are going to upset thousands of people...Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-6755708187009338182012-04-20T11:35:59.691-07:002012-04-20T11:35:59.691-07:00Please don't apologise, I'm glad you raise...Please don't apologise, I'm glad you raised the topic and are keeping us up to date. <br /><br />While we human beings might expect collectors to "do the right thing", they seem to have problems seeing things that way...<br /><br />Well, obviously what Turkey does is up to Turkey, but there are a lot of us that would support them if they decided to go after people who had bought goods that not only may be "suspected" of being dodgy but are published as such. Even the shoddiest due diligence would have shown this up.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-89733912123481096152012-04-20T08:12:49.814-07:002012-04-20T08:12:49.814-07:00I just updated the post with more information, so ...I just updated the post with more information, so apologies if I messed up your quotes. <br /><br />I cannot comment on what Turkey might or might not do.<br /><br />This was just a personal appeal from me as a human being for collectors to "do the right thing" with coins which are clearly of problematic provenance, and which they might not realise have "problems" because dealers might not have told themDorothy Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820009282218419179noreply@blogger.com