tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post8945688685559386442..comments2024-03-27T04:46:33.198-07:00Comments on Portable Antiquity Collecting and Heritage Issues: American Digger's "Drive" to Bridge the Divide Between Collecting and ArchaeologyPaul Barfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-17010016475657683762013-07-20T09:05:19.145-07:002013-07-20T09:05:19.145-07:00Metal detectorists' idea of "respect"...Metal detectorists' idea of "respect":<br /><br />Butch Holcombe (on Facebook, discussing the debate with archaeologists): <br /><br />"There are good and bad on both sides. For instance, the fellow who writes this blog: http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2013/07/florida-busts-artifact-thieves.html"<br />16 lipca o 05:53 <br /><br /> Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-48652735046688559792013-07-20T08:38:59.533-07:002013-07-20T08:38:59.533-07:00"You were offered the opportunity to debate a...<i>"You were offered the opportunity to debate any subject you wish on the air with us, </i> <br /><br />That is not true, the wording of your first "invitation" (posted on the Anti-archaeological Stout Standards blog http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2013/07/american-digger-invites.html) was quite clear what you expected and expected to do on that "show". That sort of language does not suggest that you were aiming to "close a gap". On the contrary. <br /><br />You profess to be interested in establishing standards for responsible detecting. There has been some discussion in recent months about what the artefact hunter can do to set themselves apart from the cowboys (led mainly by Heritage Action, see also the so-called 'Glasgow Fourth'). This is a subject running through posts here these past few months, and that is the context of the remarks about the documentation that you offer the purchaser of your finds. Nothing else. <br /><br />The point is however if you truly want to work with archaeologists the wording of the AIA ethics code does create a problem. I do not see why I should not point that out, and I really see no reason to get defensive about it, it is a fact. No "accusation of illegal action" is in my text. <br /><br />I really do not see how you can aim to "work with archaeologists' if you get all defensive the moment a question like this comes up. They will. What's the problem? <br /><br /><b>But this illustrates plainly why I do not think any discussion under the conditions you propose would get anywhere.</b> In my experience - quite long - metal detectorists get very defensive about what they do and simply cannot accept a frank exchange of views or anyone critically assessing what they do from another point of view, outside the hobby. Docile yes-men are what they want, not a true dialogue to thrash out the problems. The PAS treats its "partners" like little children, because that is the way they have to to stop metal detectorists turning their backs en masse (there have already been 17, think it was, threats by them to do precisely this when the PAS was even a little bit critical of them). What kind of a "partnership" is that? (What kind of "respect" is that if they think of them as like little kids?) <br /><br /><b>Thank you for the offer of a sample copy of American Digger magazine. </b>It will join the others in my quite extensive library of metal detecting literature from around the world. <br /> <br /><br /><i>"I have shown you respect"</i> No, I do not believe you have. Not for a minute. Neither me, nor the points I have raised. <br /><br />You really are not going to get very far with the archaeological community like that. How about learning to listen and address what is said calmly and to the point, instead of shouting? That's what people look for in a debate.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-87907223290827273202013-07-20T06:15:33.089-07:002013-07-20T06:15:33.089-07:00Sir,
You were offered the opportunity to debate an...Sir,<br />You were offered the opportunity to debate any subject you wish on the air with us, yet choose instead to hold court here in the safe haven of your own blog. We however, have posted here in the hopes of bridging a gap which you have no desire in closing. You are afraid of taking such mutual steps. You are also threading on thin ice in accusing American Digger Magazine, Greybird Relics, or any other business owned by me of any illegal actions. Such accusations of illegal activity are false and border on slander. <br />As to "no archaeologist" being mentioned in American Digger Magazine, you are again showing a disregard for the obvious. Are NOT some archaeologists also private collectors? We also have had several interviews with archaeologists and "MD" clubs that have worked on digs with trained professionals. I'd previously said I'd not be drawn into your drivel again, but I stand corrected. Some comments by you are so ignorant and bitter that they must be addressed. However, I have no farther time for you. You have never read American Digger Magazine, have never had dealings with Greybird Relics, and do not know me-nor my wife- personally. I have shown you respect, but now understand that your hatefulness and bitterness leave no room for that. Please continue with your blogs and, if you wish, continue to visit our sites. But it is time to direct your venom towards a new target. Aren't lawyers already wealthy enough? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/american-digger-lawsuit-magazine-show-spike-tv_n_2065400.htmlRelic Rounduphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336776014416932807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8174756573570334952.post-83555378383462572092013-07-19T22:51:32.900-07:002013-07-19T22:51:32.900-07:00Aah, the common ground between artefact hunting an...Aah, the common ground between artefact hunting and archaeology! I've asked and asked where that is but I've yet to hear any artefact hunter or archaeologist define it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com