Sunday, 18 November 2018

It's Basically Drain Cleaners an' My Girlfren's Peroxide [Updated]


Sparkling soundtrack and naff opening sequence on this one:
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"It's Basically Drain Cleaners an' My Girlfren's Peroxide hair stuff, I make a mixture wiv it" and don't forget the warm soapy wa'er (that's probably non-ionic detergent, innit?). Plonk them in and they start to fizz.

He's hoping he can spend the evening with his chemically stripped copper alloy coin  'finding the story behind it' and 'in a cupple of munfs time its gonna be dark culler and won' be shiny and wiv a patina'. (In the comments is the suggestion that 'For speeding up the patination of the shiny cleaned coins you can use original Palmolive dishwashing detergent'). Note that the coins in the tray are not accompanied by any kind of labelling indicating the ten-figure grid reference of the findspot of each artefact removed from the archaeological record by this drab-voiced detectorist.

The vessel mount/escutcheon seems not to be in the PAS database - so what hope is there that any of the other finds are?


UPDATE  29th November 2018
Interestingly, the two comments this text has received so far concentrate, both of which focus entirely on the way I attempted to render this gentleman's manner of speech as a written text. Neither of these commenters did us the courtesy of supplying their names, yet we can say something about who they are by the way they construct their remarks, wonky punctuation, lack of capitalisation and all. These are not just typos. I think we can guess looking at those two brief texts that we are looking at the words of metal detectorists, many of whom do tend to write in that manner (as one can see on their forums), despite having gone through school but failing to pick up the rudiments of articulate formulation and transmission of ideas.


My two anonymous critics say I am 'bullying' the man through this text. This is 'Durham-talk' of course. But I am interested in what they do not say. This text is actually about a bloke who actually films himself and gives a running commentary to boot on how he chemically strips ancient objects with a home-made mixture of unknown (and apparently uncontrolledly variable) composition made of drain cleaners (!) and 'my girlfriend's peroxide'. From what we see we can assume that the chemicals that infused the metal core during the stripping were neither neutralised chemically (because: how?) nor removed. They remain in those objects, which - by the speaker's own admission - are not chemically stable, because he says they change colour. Now, I as an archaeologist am very worried by this type of behaviour. I put it up here as a warning shot across the bows of all my colleagues who see 'detectorists' as doing a beneficial job ('saving heritage' and 'finding stuff for us'). Many of them are doing harm to the archaeological record by removing evidence willy-nilly and some of them are doing immense harm - as here - to the objects they are 'curating'. Saved from 'the plough and agrichemicals' and then endangered by being immersed in drain cleaner? OK, I admit I thought I was being a little unfair pulling out this one lost sheep who'd obviously never read anything about how to care responsibly for the heavily corroded archaeological objects he finds, but perhaps I am not. For 'UnknownTekkie 1' and 'UnknownTekkie 2', the issue is not dunking ancient objects in a corrosive chemical broth at all, it's the way Mr Barford wrote about it. I think the fact thatb these two comments appeared within an hour of each other suggests that out there in the twilight zone of the Internet is a tekkie-forum where somone is fulminating about the way 'that prat Barford treated are M8' and I bet a bottle of Polish beer that until 6:41 in the morning on Thursday (so now), there is not a single comment in that thread on 'yes, but our fellow 'responsible detectorists' is showing himself destroying ancient objects and Mr Barford is right to draw attention to this'. Is there?

And before somebody says it, this blog is about collectors, not for them. In Britain, there's the PAS and no end of collaborative archaeologists for that.

As it happens, I am doing a lot of work at the moment professionally with conservators. They do not speak like 'Mr Coin Dunker', they quote philosophy and Cesare Brandi and talk about ketones and such stuff. They'd make mincemeat out of 'MrCoinDunker'. Conservation here in Poland is a specialised course of study that, in the institution with which I am currently collaborating, lasts five years of full-time study and supervised practical experience. There are thick books to read, exams to pass. But only after that can they independently start work with ancient objects. I am sure many educated people are aware of the degree of knowledge and experience being a conservator involves if they are not to do more harm than good, and I am sure most of them would realise that this is something to either leave up to experts (the advice of the PAS) or something to gain an education in by something less damaging to the heritage than 'trial and error'. From the manner in which he talks about what he is doing to the ancient objects in his 'care', I think it a fair assumption that 'MrCoinDunker' does not have that kind of education. Yet he goes public to show is in bald toe-curling clarity where that lack of education leads.

While I am not, in general a fan of the NCMD 'Code of Practice' (which has not a word about not using drain cleaners on your finds) I think artefact hunters might usefully pay attention to principle 9 Remember that when you are out with your metal detector you are an ambassador for our hobby. Do nothing that might give it a bad name". That probably refers nowadays much more to when they write something on a forum or make videos. These have a greater reach than what a passer-by or two can see a bloke do in the middle of a field. I would suggest that it would be worthwhile rewording that,
"do nothing that can be used by critics of Collection-Driven Exploitation of the archaeological record to challenge efforts of the compliant and complacent British archaeological community to build  a good name for us in the public eye".
Because that is what this blog is about.  A vast number of the people that are so glibly labelled by the heritage establishment 'citizen archaeologists' and 'partners' and who archaeologists suggest are gathering 'archaeological data' for them are in fact doing none of these things. British archaeology wilfully shuts its eyes to that and that is a policy that in my mind is worthy of critique and, yes, ridicule. How else are the lone critics to get the message across to a wider public when the archaeological establishment fails so miserably to step up and do that and even shout them down?

5 comments:

  1. what an unprofessional so called archaeologist thing to say about the way somebody speaks, paul barford you are just a bully and a total little twat.

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  2. You're a bully why would you pick on how someone speaks. Disgusting.

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  3. You're an idiot. Maybe before picking on other people's spelling and grammar you should check your own. Clearly you're not as educated as you claim to be. Also assuming every comment has been written by a detectorist is wrong, personally I am not a detectorist but I do enjoy the videos especially by Treasure Hunters UK. I am also highly educated (unlike yourself) and therefore you are clearly very small minded and obnoxious to be making assumptions when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

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  4. I am not clear if that is 'Unknown1' or 'Unknown2' responding and calling me names- in the notes to commenters I do ask that people use their real names here, a small courtesy.

    A 'highly educated non-detectorist' should therefore recognize that filming yourself irresponsibly dunking ancient metal objects into corrosive chemical mixtures of unknown composition is not actually the best way to appear to be a responsible 'citizen archaeologist' who knows what they are doing to anyone, as 'highly-educated' as you or not. What on earth did he think he was doing putting something like that online?

    What I "know I am talking about" here is a specific film where the film-maker brazenly shows pretty atrocious behaviour towards a piece of our archaeological heritage - and I think I do "know what I am talking about" when I say that what he shows is appalling from the point of view of conservation, and that this man needs to get some proper information and guidance.

    I noted that the mount does not appear in the PAS database, maybe this guy needs to approach his FLO for advice to prevent him damaging more artefacts and actually filming himself ignorantly doing it for all to see (and judge, yes). That is what the FLOs are for, helping establish best practice. What we see in that film is as far from best practice as if this film-maker had driven a 4x4 over a bell-barrow churning up the turf with its wheels. Would you say I "do not know what I am talking about" (and "small-minded" and "obnoxious") if I criticised him making a video like that too? I say there is no difference, he's damaging the objects in his care.

    This is despite there being a PAS there to give collectors like him the advice they need on how to care for the archaeological objects they have in their stewardship, and who have actively been giving such advice for 20 years to those that will listen and want to find that knowledge. The FLOs do not have a "small-minded" and "obnoxious" approach to artefact hunters, they help them.

    Now at least the video-maker has been made aware of his guilt and had the sense to remove the video showing him do it. That however does not make the problem of what he is doing to artefacts (and others like him) go away.

    I hope he goes and gets good advice how to CARE for the artefacts he has in his STEWARDSHIP instead of just selfishly and carelessly damaging them. And if he and others who saw nothing wrong with what he was doing are shamed into doing that, my text here will have achieved something.

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  5. Right, there are a whole load of comments ostensibly on this post awaiting moderation, every single one of them from the same, or different (?) people calling themselves 'unknown'. I have already published three, none of which has added anything to the discussion of the topic of treatment of excavated artefacts by an artefact hunter once he's dug it up. I think that's enough. All of the rest are rude in tone. Some of these comments are just abusive ad personams and nothing else. One contains a threat. I refer readers to the notes for commenters and I will be exercising my right as blog owner to reject further anonymous comments under this post, especially those that infringe the guidelines in other ways apart from that. Let's discuss the use of drain cleaners on ancient artefacts, amateur chemistry chlorine poisoning, and and chemically stripping artefacts.

    In case you cannot find it: http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2010/12/note-to-comment-posters.html

    Thank you.

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