Most of us went to school and managed to avoid dropping off in history lessons, so I guess most of us who went to school in England learnt about Henry VIII. It seems however that the attention span of metal detectorists did not extend too far into such lessons, so they have to have it explained by metal detectorist John Winter why after the mid 1540s and after his death, the king had the nickname "old coppernose" and what that big word "debased [in italics]" means. Duh. My childhood "Seaby's Coins of Great Britain and Ireland" has that information in it. I really find it odd that this information should be being cross-posted across the metal detecting forums as some kind of new information for tekkies (or an attention-seeking drive to get more readers): "Henry VIII – Old Coppernose" - John Winter blog
Henry VIII – Old Coppernose - Minelabowners.com
Old Coppernose - Australian Metal Detecting and ...Old Coppernose - DetectingScotland.com
The significance of this is that the PAS official pro-collecting propaganda in England and Wales states that these folk are doing it (hoiking and collecting) because of a pre-existing "love of history" and a desire to "learn about history", and to create (with their partners) information about history. How, however, can we speak of any kind of partnership when the one side is lacking in even the basic background in the subject and has to have even simple facts like this handed to them on a plate?
UPDATE 10.09.13
Instead of explaining the deep need of his artefact collecting readers for a simple story about Henry VIII's third coinage, Mr Winter has filched (his word) an idea from coiney Dave Welsh. He has now written a post justifying his position founded on the basic idea of flatulence, but with the original addition now of "pus". It seems beyond him to actually answer in any articulate form the issue raised (the conflicting visions of the depth of historical knowledge of artefact hunters and dugup artefact collectors). Fart jokes however any metal detectorist can manage.
TAKE A GOOD LOOK at this behaviour, for these are precisely the sort of foul-mouthed people the PAS wants to grab more and more millions of public quid to make into the "partners" of the British Museum, archaeological heritage professionals and to whom they want us all to entrust the exploitation of the archaeological record. Take a good look and decide what you think about that as a "policy".
5 comments:
i dont understand your comments on another guys(john winter)blog about the history of the name coppernose given to henry v111,i dont know what school you went to but mine didnt manage to tell me the entire history of the world in the time i was there,and i manage to keep learning by reading blogs on line and reading books etc,why pick on people from the uk when you are from the uk but living in poland,it makes you out as a vile troll .
Looking at your written English, I wonder whether the fault was the school's. ("Didnt manage to teach me how to write an entire sentence, use capitals and commas in the whole time I was there"?). So, I am not really surprised that you "don't understand".
In what way is my post "picking on people"? In trying to find out more about your hobby, I read something in a blog which does not match what I learn from the PAS and commented upon that. (It's what we call "discussion".) If somebody objects, then they too can comment on what I write - preferably saying why they object in a slightly more articulate manner than tekkie name-calling. The latter really creates a bad impression and will make people wonder why we are paying so much money to try and "partner" such people at the cost of the archaeological record, don't you think? Of course the latter is precisely the point I am making.
[The guy from Toronto who also "commented" obviously did not read the "guidelines for commenting" in the sidebar to the left - I am not publishing that sort of stuff here, he'll find a more welcoming home for his taunting, no doubt, on John Winter's blog]
Dear Mr Barford Thank you for your swift reply to my previous comment,as you can see i can indeed write sentences,use commas and capital letters.You use the same tactics to get at me as you did to John Winter ie making us out as stupid on our use of historic reference and my use of basic text in answer to your blog.It does not change the fact that you do use your blog as a tool to deride people,i hope you find that this reply was articulate and i still think your a cheeky barford,oh a play on words where did i learn that?
Mr Frog,
well, that is an improvement. When you've learnt to put spaces after the commas as well as use a capital letter for the personal pronoun and the beginning of surnames, it'd be even better.
Still, I see that you did not get very far with "reading comprehension" at school either. Mr Winter is not "derided" for being "stupid on [his] use of historic[al] reference", whatever that was supposed to mean.
In my post I say that if what the PAS tell us about their partners is true, he'd not need to share with you all what he knows about 'Old Coppernose' and explain the word "debased" to you all. It is his treatment of fellow metal detectorists which is commented upon, not the merits of what he wrote. Got it this time?
Mr Winter is however now derided for stooping to the level of a retard schoolboy, using remarks on flatulence and pus as a way of deflecting attention from the point made.
As a commentator on the Winter blog suggests:
P0k3Rman (Derek) 10 September 2013 at 8:53 pm:
In the words of Martin Luther King Jr “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”[...]
So, I can really see it now, when Whithall asks the PAS to show some of its progress with getting the message over, they point them to the John Winter blog as one of their "star partners". The fart post will really make a great impression...
I suspect we will soon not find too many archaeologists going out on a limb in public to support metal detectorists if they become associated in the public eye as comporting themselves in such a manner (to which add the embararrassing spectacle of
'Jackass' behaviour on certain recent TV shows).
Here the NCMD admonition about being an ambassador for the hobby starts to make a lot of sense...
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